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Magdalen's avatar

I support legal abortion, but I’m skeptical of both arguments that banning abortion is unconstitutional. The privacy argument has been pretty widely acknowledged as logically weak and dubiously following from the constitutional right. And I agree with Leah that premising women’s equality on their ability to make their bodies more like those of men is a shallow and patronizing model of what equality between men and women should mean. I would go even further and say that it is a *sexist* standard, since it seems to imply that women’s bodies are inferior to men’s bodies, and, well, what makes me a woman IS my body.

I think what I would want to ask a woman in favor of outlawing abortion is: what is your limiting principle on when the state can and cannot force you to sustain another person’s life at the expense of your own body/bodily autonomy? Or in some cases, your own life?

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I was just reading L. M. Sacasas’s latest newsletter, and I think some of his summaries of Ivan Illich and Jacques Elul are relevant to the idea of abortion as the female entrance fee to modern society: “ the reason for this is that the dominant techno-social configuration of modern society demands that human beings operate at a scale and pace that is not conducive to their well-being—let alone rest, rightly understood—but by now most of us have been born into this state of affairs and take it more or less for granted.…

“ For the most part, we carry on in techno-social environments that are either indifferent to a certain set of genuine human needs or altogether hostile to them.5 For this reason, Ellul argued, a major subset of technique emerges.6 Ellul referred to these as human techniques because their aim was to continually manage the human element in the technological system so that it would function adequately….

“In [Elul’s] view, human techniques are alway undertaken in the interest of preserving the system and adapting the human being to its demands.” (https://theconvivialsociety.substack.com/p/you-cant-optimize-for-rest)

I wonder what about the modern system we could change to accommodate the human reality of pregnancy, post-party’s recovery, and the utter dependence in f tiny humans.

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