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Well first: Hi! I'm a new follower. My name is Franki and a friend recently introduced me to your book. I am really enjoying it so far. I am a mom of three, a former doula and am currently wrapping up a degree in Marriage and Family Therapy with a lot of extra training in perinatal mental health care. All this to say, I love these topic, am excited to engage them, and am glad you are doing so!

In the poll I noted that I am pro-life and also don't think we will see a lot of prosecution in states with abortion bans. That said, I am still hesitant about abortion ban law. In some ways I agree with both you and Martha. I do just think the current bans presently lack clarity that creates institutional and systemic risk for hospitals and for physicians. The threat of criminal penalties in addition to the intense politicization of this topic (which is maybe singular except in end of life care?) creates an atmosphere of fear for individual acting physicians. In situations where decisions are time-sensitive and outcomes are unpredictable, which is really anything related to birth, I think the threat of prosecution itself is what leads to the pauses, the delays, or the transfers. That moment of pause can lead to physical and psychological harm to mothers, babies, and families.

I'm not an expert on this and honestly could be very wrong, but I do think that after EMTALA was passed, CMS provided information on what counts as an "emergency medical care" which stabilized enforcement. I do think that clarity supersedes the lack of state clarity of the topic, which I think is why I lean towards your side of seeing few criminal cases. However, I think the nature of penalties for EMTALA violations are civil fines and loss of medicare funding for institutions, both of which are covered by insurance policies. In contrast, state abortion bans impose a felony/misdemeanor penalty for an individual physician, which is typically not covered by insurance. That difference in who bears the risk fundamentally changes how individual physicians respond to uncertainty and that is what gives me pause about the laws.

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Thanks Leah! I do think this process is helpful to clarify disagreement.

I also want to clarify that I’m actively working to lose this bet by overturning bans and fighting against the prosecution of doctors and supporting their ability to provide care. As Katha raised, even without charges there are horrific impacts on women and doctors because of these laws.

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